Working "with" somebody like me "only indirectly" is a good way to foul up.
Anybody, for that matter. Like, if you go on for all these years and years never directly making any sort of contact with them, even, at all, whatsoever .. .. and consider them on some type of sidelines ? That's very cheap. And, that's very "sideline-ish" of you, yourselves ..
All blame cast aside .. it still doesn't make me want to work with people like that. Any of them. Any of YOU .. I mean, if you turn your acts around it does. But, not if you keep creeping around on the .. .. .. sidelines .. .. .. 😉